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 califur - (oggydoggie)
 
02:38pm 19/05/2008
 
 
OggyWolf posting in Califur
I know that there is another post going about the cons about con. However I wanted it to be known that given all the drama going on I wanted to thank the califur staff for working so hard to give us the amazing event they do every year. I enjoyed myself dispite all of the whining and things going wrong. Yes, I had my share of concerns about the following:

1) Drunk wedding people/prom/hotel/non fur in our area
2) A non fur perving on an underage fur ( we are talking 12 year old girl under age o.o)
3) Everyone being over charged for parking. Parking for con was saposta be under 13 bucks.... not 13 a night.
4) Being filmed by rabbit hole.

However, given all that drama... over all it was a good con. I didn't mind the wall of fabric put up. I understand that the other party wanted to have a nice wedding. And yes they did book before us. I personally love Califur, it's local and its fun. The first con I ever attended was Califur 1 and I will always come back. Give the staff a break guys, they worked hard to make this event fun. They do not get paid, and what it comes down to is.... if you want to bitch try being in the con staff's shoes.

Don't complain if you are not willing to be on staff yourself.

We have an amazing community guys, let's work together to make it even more amazing!
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 firewire
 
09:53pm 19/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
From all the complaints I have collected it seems all of the negative comments were pointed towards the hotel and not the con staff. The collected opinion of the con staff was positive and very much appreciated. They had very little they could have done with what the hotel chose to do.
 
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 firewire
 
09:53pm 19/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Even the shutting down of the room party was forced upon the con staff and not a choice of their own accord.
 
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 oggydoggie
 
05:22am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
OggyWolf: realistic oggy
I agree, the hotel was a bit special. I will give them props for letting me back into my room when I locked myself out though
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 tsuyoto
 
10:10pm 19/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
tsuyoto
Even though con staff did their best to save a bad situation, they were the ones who chose a bad hotel to begin with. I only hope they choose a better hotel next year.
 
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 donkeyears
 
11:43pm 19/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
donkeyears
You have no idea how the hotel staff will react to a furry con. So that is also not the con staff's fault. Now if they decide to stay at the same hotel then yes it is there fault for picking a hotel that they know that will not welcome us furries.
 
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 tsuyoto
 
11:47pm 19/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
tsuyoto
True, but couldn't they have considered that only renting 1/4 of the event space would lead to toes being stepped on?
 
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 doodlesthegreat
 
02:48am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Doodles
Not necessarily. It depends on who rents the rest of the space. And the con took up half of their available function area, not 1/4.
 
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 tsuyoto
 
07:42pm 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
tsuyoto
Well, 1/4 was my rough estimation, though judging from the hotel map, maybe 1/3 is a closer approximation. My point is that Califur should have chosen a hotel where they could have afforded to rent all of the event space, thereby insuring that there would be no conflict with other events.
 
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 doodlesthegreat
 
02:48am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Doodles: mesousa
Well, as long as the con isn't locked into a multi-year contract...
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 oggydoggie
 
05:24am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
OggyWolf: flirty oggy
Humm, I agree to an extent. They did have no idea how we were going to be taken. However, not that the Hyatt has seen us they have some idea of what we are like.

On the other paw... given what was said at the scritch and bitch... we should just move hotels. Trappa said that hotel managers change like I change socks. So when we come back next year, the staff for the hotel might be completely different.
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 doodlesthegreat
 
01:03am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Doodles
Actually, the person most responsible for the hotel they had was Alohawolf, who is no longer affiliated with Califur. Califur wanted to go back to the Atrium of Confurence heritage, and may very well do that for 2009. Evidently, the Atrium keeps calling and asking FOR us!
 
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 canis_ridens
 
02:24am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Mel
I checked the Atrium's website, and, in addition to the bonus of them actually being prepared for and welcoming towards the type of event they'd be hosting, it appears to be the perfect size for the con over the next couple of years. The courtesy shuttle to anything within three miles is also likely to come in quite handy for group food runs.

I get the distinct impression that the Hyatt was selected based on the vision of what Califur will hopefully require in ten years, rather than on what it needs now.
 
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 firewire
 
01:10am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
To a point, they should have foreseen the clash between the highbrow non furry guests and the furballs. However certain things done on the hotels part (black curtain) would be difficult to predict.
 
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 iamweasel_2112
 
01:06am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
I.M. Weasel
The con staff and hotel staff were all pretty cool to me personally. What I want to know is -- how they did they let that drunk dude into the cabaret with his cooler? He was sitting right next to me, that is until he ran up on stage and promptly was kicked out. Okay okay I'll admit, he was pretty funny, and i was laughing at most of the shit he was doing up until that point, but at the same time -- he didn't belong there. Yeah, I'm no saint when it comes to alcohol, I partook of a few drinks over the weekend myself. But still, I thought this was supposedly a "dry con"...

Not surprised the Room 302 party got shut down too.
 
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 doodlesthegreat
 
02:43am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Doodles
Neither was I. It was obvious from the start it was going to be crowded and noisy, both things a hotel doesn't really want on their sleeping floors.
 
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 thornwolf
 
04:14am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
An Ethel Among Mermans
They okayed it with the hotel staff beforehand though.
 
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 verix
 
03:57am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Don't complain if you are not willing to be on staff yourself.

I'm just going to preface my reply to this comment with this: if I wasn't going to school full time with a part-time job while also running the club related to my major, I would.

That said, I don't think a comment like this is fair. After all, the people who are going to the convention are one of the many aspects that make the convention happen-- arguably, they're one of the core components. (Although it's really a chicken-egg problem re: attendees and convention.) People who attend the convention have every right to complain about the problems that occur. The staff should take each complaint into account and separate the wheat from the chaff and act accordingly.
 
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 oggydoggie
 
05:20am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
OggyWolf: heart broken
Well, I'll start by saying that I am a full time student. I also have a full time job. And I am still requesting to be a part of the staff next year.

I agree that those attending have a bit of right to complain.... however we don't know all the efforts to hold this circus together. I know that at the scritch and bitch the staff made some amazing points. I honestly had no idea that the whole con might not have happened. I think I need to restate what I was trying to say... Walk a mile in a staffer's paws and you'll better understand issues.
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 verix
 
05:23am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, that's definitely a better way of putting it. :)
 
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 oggydoggie
 
05:25am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
OggyWolf: flirty
hehe licks
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 bigbluefox
 
04:12am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Big Blue Fox
Don't complain if you are not willing to be on staff yourself.

Everyone who attends a convention has a right to adress any kind of problem. How are you going to improve if you deprive your attendees from the right to voice their opinion?

You don't have to be a professional cook in order to tell that there's too much salt in your soup.
 
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 oggydoggie
 
05:26am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
OggyWolf: Bob Ross Real Happy
No but you have to be a professional to know if it is sea salt or kosher salt. ;)
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 thornwolf
 
04:13am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
An Ethel Among Mermans
I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the staff, in fact, praises all around, you guys rocked hardcore this year especially, so kudos to you all! The hotel and hotel guests sucked though, I agree >_
 
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 dolphin42
 
04:14pm 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
dolphin42: tiger
I have mostly praise.. some of the hotel staf didn't know what to make of us it's true... but overall they handled it well. The party shutdown was a letdown tho. I don't think I've ever had so much fun at a con though.
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 aazhie
 
10:12pm 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Jessi
what or who is Rabbit hole and why were they filming? O_o sorry if i'm clueless. I hope next year is at a better location, hoping to go in 09
 
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 ubomonkey
 
11:26pm 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah that Rabbit Hole thing was not cool, they need to address that prior to the con and get the attendee's permission to do so.
 
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 likeshine
 
01:43am 21/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
underwhelming: neogeen 1

incredibly angry about the being filmed thing.

i was filmed several times. now that i know what was being filmed, i'm pretty much livid.
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filming at califur
 masinacat
 
09:31am 21/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
in other comments, so I won't repost, but I'm really sorry that you were filmed without wanting to be, and that we didn't have a clearer system in place.
Please email me at info at rabbitholefilms dot com, and I will be more than happy to make sure that you are not shown in the film.
Thank you.
 
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 masinacat
 
09:34am 21/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
I'm the filmmaker who was at Califur (I also had a cameraman with me). I've addressed this in other
comments, so I won't repost them here, but I'm really sorry that you were filmed without wanting to be, and that we didn't have a clearer system in place.
Please email me at info at rabbitholefilms dot com, and I will be more than happy to make sure that you are not shown in the film.
Thank you.
 
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